2010 WI 57
|
Supreme Court of |
|
|
|
|
Case No.: |
2008AP1868 |
|
Complete Title: |
|
|
|
William C. McConkey, Plaintiff-Appellant-Cross-Respondent, v. J. B. Van Hollen, in his role as Attorney General of Wisconsin, Defendant-Respondent-Cross-Appellant. |
|
|
|
|
|
ON CERTIFICATION FROM THE COURT OF APPEALS |
|
|
|
|
Opinion Filed: |
June 30, 2010 |
|
Submitted on Briefs: |
|
|
Oral Argument: |
November 3, 2009
|
|
|
|
|
Source of Appeal: |
|
|
|
Court: |
Circuit |
|
County: |
Dane |
|
Judge: |
Richard G. Niess
|
|
|
|
Justices: |
|
|
|
Concurred: |
|
|
Dissented: |
|
|
Not Participating: |
|
|
|
|
Attorneys: |
|
For the plaintiff-appellant-cross-respondent there were
briefs by Lester A. Pines, Tamara B.
Packard, and Cullen Weston Pines
& Bach LLP,
For the defendant-respondent-cross-appellant the cause was argued by Lewis W. Beilin, assistant attorney general, with whom on the briefs was Raymond P. Taffora, deputy attorney general, and J.B. Van Hollen, attorney general.
An amicus curiae brief was filed by Brian W. Raum, James A. Campbell, and Alliance Defense Fund,
An amicus curiae brief was filed by William M. Conley, Callie M. Bell, Katherine C. Smith, and Foley & Lardner LLP,
An amicus curiae brief was filed by Matthew W. O’Neill, Sara Elizabeth Dill, and Friebert,
An amicus curiae brief was filed by Michael D. Dean, Michael D. Dean, LLC, and First Freedoms Foundation, Inc.,
2010
WI 57
notice
This opinion is subject to further editing and modification. The final version will appear in the bound volume of the official reports.
APPEAL from a judgment and an order of the Circuit
Court for
¶1 MICHAEL J. GABLEMAN, J. In November 2006, the
people of
Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized in this state.[1]
¶2 In July 2007, William McConkey, a voter and taxpayer, filed suit alleging, among other things, that this amendment (the "marriage amendment") was submitted to the people in violation of the constitution's requirement that voters must be allowed to vote separately on separate amendments (the "separate amendment rule"). In other words, McConkey claimed that the two sentences of the marriage amendment constituted two amendments, not one, and that because voters were not able to vote for or against each sentence, the marriage amendment was not validly adopted. The Attorney General countered that McConkey did not have standing to bring this claim because he suffered no actual injury, and maintained that the amendment was adopted in conformity with the separate amendment rule.
¶3 The Dane County Circuit Court, Richard G. Niess, Judge, held that McConkey did have standing to bring suit because, assuming his claims are true, his rights as a voter were violated. Regarding the substance of his claim, the circuit court held that the two sentences of the amendment related to the same subject and furthered the same general purpose. Therefore, the two sentences constituted only one amendment. The court of appeals certified the case to this court, and we accepted review.
¶4 The two issues before us are:
(1) Does McConkey have standing to challenge the marriage amendment?
(2) Was the marriage amendment adopted in violation of the Wisconsin Constitution's separate amendment rule?
¶5 Though the precise nature of McConkey's alleged injury is difficult to define, we conclude that the policy considerations underlying our standing doctrine support addressing the merits of McConkey's claim, which we therefore choose to do.
¶6 We hold that Article XIII, Section 13
of the Wisconsin Constitution——the
marriage amendment——was
adopted in conformity with the separate amendment rule in Article XII, Section 1 of the
Wisconsin Constitution, which mandates that voters must be able to vote
separately on separate amendments. Both
sentences of the marriage amendment relate to marriage and tend to effect or
carry out the same general purpose of preserving the legal status of marriage
in
I. BACKGROUND
¶7 During both the 2003 and 2005 sessions, the Wisconsin State Assembly and Senate adopted a joint resolution to amend the Wisconsin Constitution. Though the 2003 and 2005 versions contained minor procedural variations, the text of the resolution itself was identical. Both versions of the resolution contained what the parties have referred to as the title: "To create section 13 of article XIII of the constitution; relating to: providing that only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state." The substance of the resolution contained two sections. Section 1 stated the text of the proposed marriage amendment. Section 2 of the resolution addressed the numbering of the new proposed amendment.[2]
¶8 Because the joint resolution was passed by two successive
legislatures, the amendment was submitted to the people for ratification.[3]
Marriage. Shall section 13 of article XIII of the constitution be created to provide that only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state and that a legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized in this state?
On November 7, 2006,
¶9 William McConkey is a registered voter and taxpayer who opposed both propositions contained in the marriage amendment and voted against it. He filed suit on July 27, 2007, challenging the marriage amendment on the grounds that it violated the due process and equal protection guarantees in the Wisconsin and United States Constitutions, and on the grounds that it was adopted in violation of the separate amendment rule in Article XII, Section 1 of the Wisconsin Constitution. The Attorney General countered that McConkey suffered no actual injury and therefore did not have standing to bring any of his claims. The Attorney General further argued that neither the substance of the amendment nor the process by which it was adopted violated the state or federal constitutions.
¶10 On a motion to dismiss by the Attorney General, the
¶11 McConkey appealed, challenging the circuit court's holding on the merits of his separate amendment rule challenge.[4] The Attorney General cross-appealed, challenging the circuit court's grant of standing. The court of appeals certified both questions to this court, and this court accepted certification.
II. STANDARD OF REVIEW
¶12 Whether a party has proper standing to bring suit is a question of
law that we review de novo. Krier v.
Vilione, 2009 WI 45, ¶14, 317
III. DISCUSSION
¶13 Before we can address the merits of McConkey's challenge, we must first confirm whether McConkey's suit is properly before us——that is, whether McConkey has standing to bring his claim. Part A examines this question, concluding that the policies undergirding our standing doctrine support addressing the merits of McConkey's challenge. In Part B, we address whether the marriage amendment violates the constitution's separate amendment rule, concluding that it does not.
A. Does McConkey Have Standing?
¶14 The Attorney General argues that McConkey does not have standing to challenge the marriage amendment. He asserts that because McConkey would have voted "no" on both propositions, which McConkey concedes is true, he suffered no actual injury to a legally protectable interest.[5] McConkey, on the other hand, frames this case as a violation of his basic voting and speech rights.
¶15 As a general matter, a litigant advancing a constitutional claim
must have suffered an actual injury to a legally protected interest.
¶16 Standing requirements in
¶17 We sympathize with the argument that all voters are harmed by an amendment invalidly submitted to the people. Still, it is difficult to determine the precise nature of the injury here, and we are troubled by the broad general voter standing articulated by the circuit court. However, whether as a matter of judicial policy, or because McConkey has at least a trifling interest in his voting rights, we believe the unique circumstances of this case render the merits of McConkey's claim fit for adjudication.
¶18 Numerous reasons support our conclusion. First, McConkey has competently framed the
issues and zealously argued his case.
Second, it is likely that if his claim were dismissed on standing
grounds, another person who could more clearly demonstrate standing would bring
an identical suit, raising judicial efficiency concerns. Third, the consequences of our decision are
sufficiently clear; a different plaintiff would not enhance our understanding
of the issues in this case. Fourth, a
detailed analysis of the nature of an injury here might inappropriately require
us to prematurely interpret the substance of the amendment. Fifth, as a law development court, we think
it prudent that the citizens of
¶19 Because we conclude that the merits of McConkey's claim are fit for consideration, we now move to the substance of his claim.
B. Was the Marriage Amendment Adopted in Violation of the Separate Amendment Rule?
¶20 Article XII of the Wisconsin Constitution defines the procedures
for amending the constitution. Section 1
provides that a proposed amendment passed by each house in successive
legislatures is to be submitted "to the people in such manner and at such
time as the legislature shall prescribe."
¶21 After passage by both houses in two successive legislatures and approval by voters in a referendum on November 7, 2006, Section 13 of Article XIII of the Wisconsin Constitution was created to read:
Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized in this state.
This is the marriage amendment.
¶22 McConkey argues that the marriage amendment was adopted in violation of the separate amendment rule. Specifically, McConkey argues that the marriage amendment is comprised of two amendments that should have been presented to the voters separately, and that because it was not so presented, the marriage amendment was not properly adopted and is invalid, i.e., not currently part of the Wisconsin Constitution.
¶23 To be clear, the question before us is not whether the marriage
amendment is good public policy or bad public policy, nor is its interpretation
or application before us today. The
issue before us is whether the marriage amendment was adopted in conformity with
the constitutional requirement that the people be allowed to vote separately on
separate amendments. See Milwaukee
Alliance, 106
¶24 We begin our analysis in Part 1 by reviewing the text of the constitution's separate amendment rule and the three prior cases that have applied it. In Part 2, we define the test for determining whether an amendment violates the separate amendment rule. Finally, in Part 3, we apply the test to McConkey's challenge of the marriage amendment in this case.
1. The Constitution and Prior Case Law
¶25 Article XII, Section 1
states that amendments may be submitted to the people "in such manner . . . as the legislature
shall prescribe." Thus, the
constitution assigns considerable authority and discretion to the legislature
in the way it submits amendments to the people for a vote. Our inquiry is "whether the legislature
in the formation of the question acted reasonably and within their
constitutional grant of authority and discretion."
¶26 This is not to say the legislature's discretion is without
limit. The constitution is clear that
the people must be able to vote for or against each amendment "if more
than one amendment be submitted."
¶27 Our case law affirms this understanding. This court has examined whether a constitutional amendment violates the separate amendment rule on three prior occasions. Each merits discussion.
¶28 This court first encountered a separate amendment rule challenge in
State ex rel. Hudd v. Timme, 54
¶29 We rejected as absurd the contention that each distinct proposition
must be submitted separately. Such an
approach would make amending the constitution unduly difficult, especially for
complex issues or when an overall change might be impossible to effectuate if
the voters could choose to adopt certain parts of the proposed amendment and
not others.
¶30 Instead, we construed the separate amendment rule to require
separate votes on "amendments which have different objects and purposes in
view."
¶31 Applying this test to the facts of the case then before us, we
concluded that all of the propositions related to the purpose of changing from
annual to biennial sessions of the legislature.
¶32 Our opinion went further and discussed other amendments that had
been adopted. Article IV, Section 31
(since amended twice), for example, prohibited the legislature from passing
special or private laws in nine different circumstances, and required the legislature
to enact general laws for anything not prohibited by the amendment.
¶33 We addressed the separate amendment rule again (among other issues)
in State ex rel. Thomson v. Zimmerman, 264
¶34 The Attorney General argued that the amendment followed the
requirements announced in Hudd because all of the provisions were
"necessary, or at least convenient and proper, for the accomplishment of
the main purpose" of taking area as well as population into account in
apportioning Senate districts.
¶35 The most recent case challenging an amendment under the separate
amendment rule is Milwaukee Alliance v. Elections Bd., 106
Wis. 2d 593, 317 N.W.2d 420 (1982). In that case, the amendment contained a
series of changes to Article I, Section 8 permitting courts to deny or
revoke bail for certain accused persons, and allowing courts to set conditions
for release——bail among them——for the purposes of assuring the accused person's
appearance in court, protecting the community, or preventing intimidation of
witnesses.
¶36 In that case, the issue was "whether the legislature in the
formation of the question acted reasonably and within their constitutional
grant of authority and discretion."
¶37 We explained that the purpose of the amendment was "to change
the constitutional provision from the limited concept of bail to the concept of
'conditional release.'"[10]
2. Defining the Test
¶38 This is the fourth case challenging the validity of an amendment under the separate amendment rule. The dispute between the parties can be broken down into three issues. First, the parties disagree about the proper way to test the validity of an amendment under the separate amendment rule. Second, while both parties agree that the general purpose of the amendment is an important element of the test, they diverge over the method the court should use to determine the purpose. And third, the parties disagree over how the amendment in this case fares under the applicable test.[12]
¶39 First, the parties offer dramatically different versions of the
operative test arising from these cases.
McConkey focuses on the anti-logrolling purpose[13]
of the separate amendment rule and contends that, in order to survive review,
the various propositions in an amendment must be aimed at a single purpose and
be interrelated and interdependent such that if the propositions had been
submitted as separate questions, the defeat of one proposition would destroy
the overall purpose of the multi-proposition proposal. The Attorney General, quoting Milwaukee
Alliance, counters that "[i]t is within the discretion of the
legislature to submit several distinct propositions as one amendment if they
relate to the same subject matter and are designed to accomplish one general
purpose." 106
¶40 We agree with the Attorney General.
We reaffirm this court's repeated holdings that the constitution grants
the legislature considerable discretion in the manner in which amendments are
drafted and submitted to the people. The
inquiry is "whether the legislature in the formation of the question acted
reasonably and within their constitutional grant of authority and
discretion."
¶41 The proper test is laid out in Milwaukee Alliance: "It
is within the discretion of the legislature to submit several distinct
propositions as one amendment if they relate to the same subject matter
and are designed to accomplish one general purpose."
¶42 McConkey's position is inconsistent with the constitution's grant
of discretion to the legislature, and is irreconcilable with these prior
holdings. The distinct propositions need
not be, as McConkey urges, interconnected and dependent upon one another such
that if one proposition failed, the total purpose would be destroyed. While Hudd uses the phrase
"dependent upon," the Hudd court did not use it to suggest an
interdependency requirement as McConkey asserts. Instead, Hudd established the
principle that the propositions must relate to the same subject and be
"dependent upon or connected with" the same general
purpose. Hudd, 54
¶43 This, of course, raises the second issue on which the parties spend considerable time——how should the general purpose of an amendment be determined? McConkey proposes that the best method for determining the purpose is to look to the "relating to" clause in the title of the joint resolution. In this case, the joint resolution states the amendment relates to "providing that only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state." Going further, McConkey argues that this is the only source the court can use to determine purpose. This approach, he asserts, is consistent with the approach used in Article IV, Section 18 of the Wisconsin Constitution[16] relating to private bills, and utilizes the rules of statutory construction by focusing on a plain reading of the joint resolution's title. The Attorney General counters that an amendment's purpose should be determined from its text and the context in which it was adopted following the constitutional interpretive approach outlined in Dairyland Greyhound Park v. Doyle.[17]
¶44 The general purpose of a constitutional amendment is not an interpretive riddle. Text and historical context should make the purpose of most amendments apparent. A plain reading of the text of the amendment will usually reveal a general, unified purpose. A court might also find other extrinsic contextual sources helpful in determining what the amendment sought to change or affirm, including the previous constitutional structure, legislative and public debates over the amendment's adoption, the title of the joint resolution, the common name for the amendment, the question submitted to the people for a vote, legislative enactments following adoption of the amendment, and other such sources.
¶45 This appears to have been the general approach followed in Hudd. In that case, this court identified the four
propositions contained in the amendment from its text, and the general move
from an annual to biennial legislature was apparent. The amendment was also known to the public as
the "biennial sessions amendment."
Hudd, 54
¶46 In Milwaukee Alliance, the court described the purpose of the amendment with particularity:
The purpose of the amendment was to continue the guarantee of bail to those entitled to it, to allow release of some persons without requiring money bail but with other reasonable conditions, and at the same time, under a structured system, to hold persons for limited periods without the option of bail when a court determines that such action is necessary to protect the community from serious bodily harm or to protect society's interest in the administration of justice by preventing the intimidation of witnesses.
¶47 The method for determining the purpose advocated by McConkey——adopting verbatim the "relating to" clause in the title of the joint resolution——is supported neither by case law nor by common sense. None of our cases follow McConkey's approach. Neither Hudd nor Thomson even discuss the title of the joint resolution. In Milwaukee Alliance, we noted the statement of purpose contained in the title of the joint resolution, but did not adopt it as McConkey suggests we must do here.
¶48 McConkey's analogies to the restrictions on private bills in
Article IV, Section 18 are also inapposite. The text of that provision itself states that
private or local bills may encompass only one subject, "and that shall be
expressed in the title."
¶49 Finally, while the statement of purpose in the title is relevant and helpful, limiting review to the title alone makes little practical sense. McConkey argues that limiting review to the text of the title is akin to statutory construction. It is not. McConkey's approach does not even allow the court to read the text of the amendment itself, much less the text of the entire joint resolution! Far from being comparable to statutory construction, McConkey's approach requires the court to put on blinders with regard to the amendment's content.
¶50 In summary, "It is within the discretion of the legislature to
submit several distinct propositions as one amendment if they relate to the
same subject matter and are designed to accomplish one general
purpose."
3. Applying the Test
¶51 The marriage amendment contains two propositions: (1) "Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state"; and (2) "A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized in this state." The text of this amendment and historical context in which it was adopted make its general subject and purpose plain.
¶52 A plain reading of the text of the amendment, in which both propositions expressly refer to "marriage," makes clear that the general subject of the amendment is marriage. McConkey does not seem to dispute this point.
¶53 Before the marriage amendment was adopted, marriage in
¶54 The first sentence preserves the one man-one woman character of
marriage by so limiting marriages entered into or recognized in
¶55 Why preserve the status quo through a constitutional
amendment? This is no secret
either. The sponsors of the amendment
were quite clear that state supreme court decisions overturning the marriage
laws of other states were the primary reason for the amendment.[22] In short, the sponsors of the amendment
wanted to protect the current definition and legal status of marriage, and to
ensure that the requirements in the first sentence could not be rendered
illusory by later legislative or court action recognizing or creating identical
or substantially similar legal statuses.
The purpose of the marriage amendment, then, was to preserve the legal
status of marriage in
¶56 To conclude, the two propositions contained in the marriage
amendment plainly relate to the subject of marriage. And as the text of the amendment and context
of its adoption make clear, the general purpose of the marriage amendment is to
preserve the legal status of marriage in
IV. CONCLUSION
¶57 In summary, though the precise nature of McConkey's alleged injury is difficult to define, we conclude that the policy considerations underlying our standing doctrine support addressing the merits of McConkey's claim, which we therefore choose to do.
¶58 We hold that Article XIII, Section 13
of the Wisconsin Constitution——the
marriage amendment——was
adopted in conformity with the separate amendment rule in Article XII, Section 1 of the
Wisconsin Constitution, which mandates that voters must be able to vote
separately on separate amendments. Both
sentences of the marriage amendment relate to marriage and tend to effect or
carry out the same general purpose of preserving the legal status of marriage
in
By the Court.—The judgment and order of the circuit court are Affirmed.
[1]
[2] The 2003 joint resolution also contained a further resolution that the "proposed amendment be referred to the legislature to be chosen at the next general election and that it be published for 3 months previous to the time of holding such election." The 2005 version contained additional resolutions related to the submission of the amendment to the people, including the question to appear on the ballot.
[3] Article XII, Section 1 of the Wisconsin Constitution, which contains the separate amendment rule, specifies one of the procedures for amending the constitution (the other is via a constitutional convention, see Wis. Const. art. XII, § 2). It provides in relevant part:
Any amendment or amendments to this constitution may be proposed in either house of the legislature, and if the same shall be agreed to by a majority of the members elected to each of the two houses, such proposed amendment or amendments shall be . . . referred to the legislature to be chosen at the next general election . . . and if, in the legislature so next chosen, such proposed amendment or amendments shall be agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house, then it shall be the duty of the legislature to submit such proposed amendment or amendments to the people in such manner and at such time as the legislature shall prescribe; and if the people shall approve and ratify such amendment or amendments by a majority of the electors voting thereon, such amendment or amendments shall become part of the constitution; provided, that if more than one amendment be submitted, they shall be submitted in such manner that the people may vote for or against such amendments separately.
[4] McConkey's due process and equal protection arguments are not before us on appeal.
[5] It is important to note that McConkey's standing argument comes to us under the procedural mechanism of a motion to dismiss, meaning that we take all facts alleged by McConkey to be true in determining whether he has standing to bring his claim. See Repetti v. Sysco Corp., 2007 WI App 49, ¶2, 300 Wis. 2d 568, 730 N.W.2d 189.
[6] The United States Constitution
limits the jurisdiction of federal courts to only "cases" or
"controversies." See
[7] We do, however, look to
federal case law as persuasive authority regarding standing questions.
[8] The beginning of the Thomson
opinion does discuss the legislative "agitation" for including land
area as well as population in the formation of legislative districts. State ex rel. Thomson v. Zimmerman,
264
[9] We also struck down the
amendment on the grounds that the referendum question was invalid and "did
not present the real question." See Thomson, 264
[10] The joint resolution
stated that the amendment related to "revising
the right to bail and authorizing the legislature to permit circuit courts to
deny release on bail for a limited period to certain accused
persons."
[11] We explained as follows:
The
[12] This third issue is discussed in Part 3.
[13] "Logrolling"
is the joining of "unrelated provisions and creating a union of interests
to secure passage" of legislation, or here, a proposed constitutional
amendment. State ex rel. Wisconsin
Senate v. Thompson, 144
[14] One provision in the amendment
at issue in Milwaukee Alliance, for example, stated, "In
determining the 10-day and 60-day periods [specified in the amendment], the
court shall omit any period of time found by the court to result from a delay
caused by the defendant or a continuance granted which was initiated by the
defendant."
[15] Our prior cases have described,
and we affirm here today, a test inquiring into both the subject matter and
purpose of an amendment, suggesting a two-part test. See
[16] Article IV, Section 18 provides: "No private or local bill which may be passed by the legislature shall embrace more than one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title."
[17] Dairyland states
that the constitution should be construed by reference to the plain meaning of
the provision, the debates and practices at the time, and the earliest
legislative action following adoption. Dairyland Greyhound Park v. Doyle, 2006 WI 107, ¶19, 295
[18] The Thomson case, on the other hand, is a
bit of an anomaly with regard to the determination of purpose. The court appeared to accept the statement of
purpose proffered by the Attorney General, the officer charged with defending
the amendment.
[19] All subsequent references to the Wisconsin Statutes are to the 2005-06 version unless otherwise indicated.
[20]
It is the intent of chs. 765 to 768 to promote the stability and best interests of marriage and the family. It is the intent of the legislature to recognize the valuable contributions of both spouses during the marriage and at termination of the marriage by dissolution or death. Marriage is the institution that is the foundation of the family and of society. Its stability is basic to morality and civilization, and of vital interest to society and the state. The consequences of the marriage contract are more significant to society than those of other contracts, and the public interest must be taken into account always. . . . The impairment or dissolution of the marriage relation generally results in injury to the public wholly apart from the effect upon the parties immediately concerned. Under the laws of this state, marriage is a legal relationship between 2 equal persons, a husband and wife, who owe to each other mutual responsibility and support.
[21] McConkey argues that the second sentence has nothing to do with the first, an assertion that strains credulity. While the second sentence attempts to accomplish something different than the first sentence, it is plainly related to and connected with the overall purpose of the amendment.
[22] In the appendix to its brief,
the Attorney General provided a copy of a memo dated January 29, 2004, from the
sponsors of the amendment to fellow state legislators soliciting co-sponsorship
of the proposed amendment. A copy is
also available online at http://graphics2.jsonline.com/graphics/multimedia/media/oct06/legis3.pdf.
(last visited June 25, 2010). The
sponsors explained their proposal as follows:
We are introducing LRB 4072/2 for first consideration. LRB 4072/2 is a proposed constitutional
amendment that would preserve the institution of marriage in this state as it
has always been——between a man and a woman.
Last fall, the
Nothing in our state constitution presently protects against our State Supreme Court doing the same thing the Massachusetts Supreme Court did in 2003 (or the Vermont Supreme Court did in 1999 or the Hawaii Supreme Court did in 1993, followed up by a state constitutional amendment there) and legislating from the bench to radically alter marriage in this state and judicially impose same-sex marriage on this state. . . .
This proposal would prevent same-sex marriages from being legalized in this state, regardless of the name used by a court or other body to describe the legal institution. The proposal preserves "marriage" as it has always been in this state, as a union between one man and one woman. In addition, the proposal states that a legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid in this state, regardless of what creative term is used . . . .
[23] Five other state supreme
courts have addressed similar questions regarding similarly worded
marriage amendments and challenges under their own separate amendment
rules. All have reached the same result
we do here. See